"well osts, satan, through adam challenged god's right to rule......so god had to let it play out to show that he really should be the one ruling mankind.
both the angels and humans needed to see this.
me - why couldn't god have allowed adam's children to remain perfect?
The more i looked at the universe, the BIGGER it got!
the bigger it got, the more i realized that the fate of the WHOLE Universe resting on the events on this planet, so small that it becomes invisible in the cosmos, was just utter cave man thinking that the sun moon and earth were all there was in the universe.
The bible stayed stuck in time while science evolved
This was truly a case of science doing its job
Oz
that's right, a knife and a baby in close proximity.... .
http://www.jw.org/assets/m/ijw13fr/502013178/ijw13fr_id-502013178_e/502013178_e_cnt_1.pdf.
anything goes, so long as you're proving how "wise" king solomon was.. .
no join the dots of
jesus feeding people?
healing a leper?
throwing out money changers?
I found their whiteboard animantions pretty bad too...especialy the one about bullys...thay had the nerve to call being excluded (with a big shun hand) bullying yet do it themselves every day.
they are goddamn wicked
oz
i saw this on yahoo answers and wondered about your reaction to it.. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=asztevcfhe4rumq8w.94glxq1kix;_ylv=3?qid=20130226115907aalqjsp.
here are some of your deceptive doctrines:.
russell was a freemason & pyramidologist.
Seeing that changename has not seen fit to return to his thread, i would declare:
''I saw this on Yahoo Answers and wondered about your reaction to it''.
To be bullshit, he is not wondering about our reaction at all...
oz
if the informaiton i am posting is redundant or has been posted, please forgive me.. i know we are all at different stages of this journey.
for me i am still "in" but working towards being out and leaving.
any one in this position or who has been here knows how diffucult of a time this can be.
saved to print it.
would make an interesting topic of conversation if they ever call on me again after the one...
oz
hello all.. my name is dteve and i live in the uk.
i hope i can make genuine friends here and not pretend friends.....like that among jw's.. i left, went back, and have left again, but this time it is for good.
so i tried to work things out, but she carried on.
welcome Steve
Is it not ironic that you mention you think it may be decades away and you are tagged apostate while the WT says the same thing by pretty much taking the foot off the acelerator in talking about armageddon like they used to and stretching out the generation...
oz
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If he aims to retrace the steps of version one then he really has to find an iceberg to hit does he not?
Oz
hmmm.... how many of you, in the process of waking up, got really angry with websites like jwfacts.com etc.. etc... even calling them slanders etc?
i think all of you are doing a great job, keep it on guys!.
Not angry with any ex jw site, just dumbfounded.
for months, every day, i would be like "no way!", "can't be"
Never got angry at any ex JW sites, but i did get angry about the WT and JWs
Oz
back in 1973, when i was just a pre-teen, i remember that meetings in general were chock full of persecution talks, great tribulation talks and armageddon talks.
so much so, that there was a hightened sense of anticipation that the end was really just a few years away.
most j-dubs really believed, without any doubt, that freddy's estimation about armageddon in 1975 was a certainty (give or take a few months... not years).
I remember it well too, I was 13 in 1975. We buried a stack of bibles and watchtowers under the floor of the shed, ready to collect in the dark of night drom some forest hideaway. Persecution was all the talk.
these days its a case of dont mention and after a few years no JW will even remember. With one of the highest revolving door memberships of any religion, that wont take too long.
Oz
http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/children/picture-activities/lots-wife-becomes-salt/.
is it me or is this kinda sick?
i mean i can understand learning from the account, but this is kinda deviant.
Unfortunatley no authorities would be remotely interested in a religion peddling this sort of thing.
Its in the BIBLE so it must be ok.
Oz
so, 2 weekends ago, my wife is showing an apartment to a potential buyer in the financial district of san juan and walks the buyer over to the balcony to show her the awesome views.
the buyer looks down at a crowd approaching puerto rico coliseum (aka jose miguel agrelot coliseum) and asked my wife: "are those jehovah's witnesses?
" my wife looks down from 19 stories up, notices the "pioneer pace" of the crowd and says: "yes.
Its called a bad news sandwich
First they would have had a lovey dovey nice 'hi were from brooklyn and here is all the exciting developments'.
second would have been the bit about the closure
third they would have the shortened WT study all like nothing just happened
all the JWs would have gone home totally miffed.
Oz
